Anna Ditchburn: 00:00:04

I know you, you are afraid to speak up, you are scared of what other people think of you. And you blame yourself for what happened to you. I know how it feels. Because I’ve been there. If you found me, I’m so grateful you’re here. This podcast will give you hope. And now I’m your host, Anna ditchburn. I’m going to hold your hand and provide the guidance that I needed the most. It’s time for you to find your why. And turn your experience into your superpower. So lock your door, put your headphones in, and enjoy. Patrick Carroll, welcome to the world’s best Trauma Recovery podcast.

Patrick Carroll: 00:00:57

Thanks, Anna, always fun to talk with you.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:01:01

Patrick, the reason I wanted to invite you to my podcast is because I had a fascinating experience with you as a shaman with healing my own sexual abuse. And we we’ve spoken a year ago, last September, when I went back to Russia to testify against my stepfather for for abusing me as as a child. And you did this session with me where you where you really helped me to, to connect with, with my past, connect with my trauma and then remove it. And you also told me that you you can see the link, the connection between my myself and my perpetrator? Yes. Do you remember this moment? Yes. I wanted to explore a bit a little bit more of this. How, how does it look like and why? Why there was a connection between me and my stepfather? Where did this come from?

Patrick Carroll: 00:02:23

Well, I’ll give you a little bit of background on on all of that. I when I started my shamanic training, which is a whole other story on how I even got to that place, but when I started training with this group of very advanced practitioners, and they kind of took me under their wings, so to speak, and said, Look, we understand who you are, and what’s happening to you, and we can help you sort it out. And I had no intention of being a practitioner at that point. But as I got working with me, kind of as an apprentice and I came along quite quickly in my training, I kept just ending up working with people who had really powerful sexual violence in their past. And

Anna Ditchburn: 00:03:15

the reason that was the reason why we actually connected Yeah,

Patrick Carroll: 00:03:19

exactly. So the question that I had in kind of while I was in this training, and kind of doing these, these various sessions with, you know, kind of training sessions with other people, mostly women who had had who had been raped or molested. And the question that kept haunting me was, Anna, the question was, you know, that was 22 years ago, that was that was, you know, 30 years ago, and not to minimize the event. But why hasn’t that faded? Why hasn’t that, you know, kind of resolved itself? I mean, these women were in horrible turmoil inside of us. Me. Yeah. And so I kept asking, you know, as I was slowly learning to move in different dimensions, and track energy and track things, I said, No, there’s something going on here that’s beyond normal psychological and psychiatric types of protocols, because that’s not working, obviously. I mean, I had talked to these women, and some men. And it’s like, you know, we’ve done every psychologist and every psychiatrist and all, you know, and it’s not helping, there’s something else going on. So, as I developed this ability to kind of see energy and track energy in different dimensions, I went and said, There’s something out there that that people were looking in the wrong place was kind of my I think they’re looking in the wrong place. It’s somewhere else that this comes into play. And especially

Anna Ditchburn: 00:04:53

with a psychologist and psychiatrist, they, yeah, they they miss out on this point, I think

Patrick Carroll: 00:05:00

They do exactly. The youngins kind of get close to it, but But you know, only kind of secondarily. So I finally started to be able to focus in and see these energetic cords that would go from my client. And they would move out into space. And I’m like, I remember the first couple of times I saw this where I was able to kind of tune into these frequencies and like, what’s that? You know, whoa, that it was, it’s like this glowing neon tubes, it would they would glow in certain colors. And they’d be kind of flexible, and they’d kind of go off into the desert. Where does that go? Well, what what is that, you know, and it would be hooked into usually the, the fourth chakra, the third chakra, which was kind of just the circuitry there

Anna Ditchburn: 00:05:55

was, but others chakras, the heart

Patrick Carroll: 00:05:59

chakra, and then the third chakra is the solar plexus chakra, which has to do with identity and things like that. I mean, the chakra is have profound spiritual and energetic functions. But I found that in clinical terms, you can really work with the chakras in very kind of direct clinical terms. So I would see these things going off. And I’m like, Well, where does that go? I mean, it’s going on there. This woman has some, something’s connected to this girl, what is it, and so I kind of would track it, and sure enough, it would go to the perpetrator. There he is. And he would this perpetrator would be out, and it would be in this different dimension. And so I started to remember that in quantum physics, there’s this concept called entanglement and entanglement is the the physicists, and this is hard science, heart size. Now they’ve replicated this experiment 1000 times, they can separate two electrons, and put a force on one electron, and the other electron instantly shifts to the state of the first one. And it does, they can be separated by 1000s of miles, there’s no, you know, electrical wire, there’s nothing and, and so in quantum physics, what they’ve discovered is this, things get entangled, they get tied up with each other, but not in the normal dimensions that we all operate in. And it’s science, they proved it, they can’t explain it. But they proved it. And what I found here in my work was that, that people that have intense energetic and emotional occurrences get entangled with each other. Now, a very easy way to understand it is when you fall in love, you’re you’re Connect, you know, you’re connected to it, but you can’t see it, you can’t touch it, you can’t explain it, but you are connected that other heart,

Anna Ditchburn: 00:08:03

it’s like mother and the child as well. So mother can feel what exactly is happening to your child? Exactly same same way a child can pick up the mothers and on mother’s energy.

Patrick Carroll: 00:08:17

Exactly, yeah. So we have what’s called entanglement, of of, of humans, based on very intense emotional occurrences and events, that people get entangled, and they get tied to each other energetically, in a different dimension. And what I found was, these different dimensions don’t operate the same as time and space in our dimension. They have their own set of rules, which was kind of the key to my work. They have their own set of rules, and principles. It’s just different than the principles of physics and time and space in our dimension. So as I started to work with this and play with this and kind of track it, I started to understand now we know why that victim cannot escape the sexual violence and the trauma, that sexual violence because it’s locked in and they’re entangled with the perpetrator. And the perpetrator is in fact still connected to the to that that woman and feeds on that feeds her trauma feeds on it loves it just kind of yeah, oh yeah, her I remember her. Yeah, oh, I got her whatever it is, even after they’re dead.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:09:39

Demonic, like,

Patrick Carroll: 00:09:42

often it is there are demonic entities that are involved here. Yes. Very true. And that was a whole other level of work that I had to learn to do, to deal with the demons. But the the key to this is once you understand that, There is this entanglement. This explains why victims have such a hard time freeing themselves from the violence and the trauma, because it’s still happening. Because in these dimensions, time isn’t linear, it doesn’t flow, it loops, time will loop. And what happens is just like a virus in the back of your computer, you don’t even know it’s there. But that virus is messing up your whole operating system, because it’s just looping. It’s just doing this this software thing, and it’s screwing up your whole computer, exactly the same thing that to that of that rape, get stuck in what’s called non ordinary present. And it just loops. So what that woman is experiencing is that rape, as if it’s happening right now, never stops, 30 years, the raid, energetically just loops. And that’s why there’s no recovery. And so I’m kind of learning all of that I’m seeing them, you know, and I see these loops, and I’m like, What’s that, you know, what’s this looping thing? So anyway, we’re kind of skipping over, you know, several years before I figured all this out. So that became the basis of my work is, is to be able to tap into the the traumatic event that occurred of rape or molestation, find that that cord to the perpetrator, because it’s there, it may take me a while I know it’s there, I just got to go through the different energetic fields and frequencies until I Oh, there it is, track it, deal with the perpetrator disconnected, dissolve it, push them out, put up barriers, come back, and then surgically remove the trauma event that stuck in that, in that dimension inside her psyche. And I got the nickname of a trauma surgeon, they called me trauma surgeon many years ago, that name stuck, because I literally can then once I once I isolate the trauma inside the energetic or sometimes the physical body of the victim, we can literally pull it out and literally remove it surgically. Energetic surgery, and then it’s gone, and it’s done. And they’re healed, and they’re free, and they move forward with their lives. They’re not connected to the perpetrator, the trauma is gone. It’s out of their live stream. And they’re healthy, psychologically and emotionally healthy.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:12:38

That this makes such such perfect sense. Because I remember when I started my healing journey, every time I knew I knew about some of the connections between that man and woman develops after the sexual act. And I knew that those connections exist for seven years. But I didn’t really realize that there will be a connection between victim and perpetrator. And every time I would try to get rid of these connection, these are intense, intense internal filament, as you say, My stepfather, like, like he would feel something he would send me a message, you know, just to remind me about himself. Happy birthday, or how are you? How’s your health? And I was thinking all the time, like how there you are, to send me a message, but I feel like I think he would feel something on an energetic level trying to disconnect from him. But and you arrived how this is my treasure. I’m getting getting energy from here. So it would explain it perfectly. Patrick, my question to you. And you you touched on this a little bit. If you won’t remove this court, this connection, what’s gonna happen to victim of sexual abuse, what some of the negative consequences

Patrick Carroll: 00:14:22

if we don’t remove it, if you

Anna Ditchburn: 00:14:26

if you if you just, you know, forget it and move on, which doesn’t work.

Patrick Carroll: 00:14:33

Most of the time. Well, a lot of the time it does start to affect the physical body and it will stick I’ve seen cases of of violent rapes that happened many years ago. And we were able to clear the trauma but I always I always do a full scan when I when I think I’m done. I do one last full scan to see if there’s anything Neil’s going on and many, many times. Now I do it all the time. I’ll see there’s there’s some really odd energy in, in the woman’s sexual area. And I’ll like, Wow, what’s that, and there can be an enormous amount of very dark energy inside her vagina, from the various sexual. And I have seen several cases where that was just starting to develop uterine cancer. Wow, that energy there was so dark and so toxic on

Anna Ditchburn: 00:15:41

my manifest that itself

Patrick Carroll: 00:15:43

was actually affecting the physical tissues. And it was and I said, Okay, you know, God, what’s that? I’ve never seen that before. So, you know, I take some time and kind of just sensitive to different energetic vibration. What is this energetic frequency? What is this, and it came back. You know, it’s cancer. This is what this is. This is an energetic frequency for uterine cancer. And so we pulled that out, cleared it all out, made sure all the tissues were back to normal, healthy state, and she’s healthy to this day. So it can affect if we don’t do this, the answer your question is, it can lead to profound emotional breakdown, depression, inability to function well, and also physical ailments. Wow, wow.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:16:42

What are you seeing? How do you think a trauma can impact our fertility for women, because I had the 16 consecutive miscarriages. And when I was trying to find the reason why. And I went through 10 Different doctors, they could not find any physical reason. And one doctor pulled me aside and he said, Anna, you had four miscarriages, with your ex husband, and I believe 11 miscarriages with your current current husband, so it’s not about husbands. It’s not about men. You need to you need to look into here. And it struck me what’s what’s happening, how trauma impacts the fertility, or bringing child in this world.

Patrick Carroll: 00:17:44

You know, everybody’s different. But in general, the answer to your question, Anna is when there’s sexual abuse, including intercourse, I mean, when when, you know, there’s lots of different types of and it’s all horrific, but especially when there’s intercourse at a very early age for a girl. And that trauma, just like we talked about, that trauma can get stuck inside her. Literally her vagina Fast Forward 20 years and she’s with a beautiful man and married wants to have children. But that her vagina is just, it’s just constantly pushing things out, push it out, because the vagina Oh, that is now just has this energetic force of whatever intercourse is, it’s horrible, and it’s violent, and it’s toxic, and it’s dark, and and energetically push it out, push it out, get rid of it. And so I have seen that energetically affect fertility, even though it’s 20 years later, and it’s a bit of a relationship and, you know, we want to have a child and all that. But that, again, that trauma member we you know, it’s looping, it’s looping, looping, looping down deep inside her. And it’s just this horrible, dark, toxic energy that’s just looping constantly. So it could shut down the whole physical system of fertility and pregnancy.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:19:21

Wow, that chick and I also know you can tell I just you know, connecting with a woman whether she had abortions or not, and I had two abortions as well. But can you can you see a soul of those aborted babies and what’s happening to those souls?

Patrick Carroll: 00:19:43

Good question. Everyone is different. What I can see is the trauma of the abortion I don’t see the soul there’s a soul is not there anymore. The soul is gone back up and you know, maybe actually reincarnate somewhere else. But we can and track that soul we can call that soul in, can see an abortion and say, Okay, let’s go find out. Let’s go check in with that the soul the babies the the baby soul. Are we okay? You know? And often the soul goes, No, it’s fine. I knew I was going down incarnating because we were going to affect this situation. And I knew I was coming right back up and going to move on to another lifetime. Everything’s cool. Everything’s fun. Sometimes it’s just the opposite. Sometimes it’s a tragedy that that soul had planned to become this woman’s child, and they had set it up prior to the incarnation. And then through generally horrific kinds of circumstances, the woman is forced to do an abortion. And there’s a lot of trauma on both sides. I remember a situation where I was working with a woman, and she had had three abortions in her life. And I looked at the first one, did it that Yeah, we’re good. I looked at the second one. Yep. Okay, that’s cool. The third one, there was this profound sorrow around this abortion. And I said to her, you wanted this one. And she started crying. And getting a little misty thinking about it. She started crying. She said, How do you know that? She said, You’re right. It broke my heart. How do you know that? And I said, I can see you’re still connected heart to heart, with this baby soul. And she said, You’re right. It tortures me every single day for you know, 11 years or whatever it’s been. Wow. And I said, let’s clean it up. Let’s, let’s clean it up. And we pulled the soul in and the baby’s soul in and we communicated and got it the issue resolved or the karma got cleared. Baby when i Mother, for the first time, the grief was gone. She was at peace with it, and was able to move on with her life. So every story is different, but I can tell whether it was an easy abortion, or whether it was a very emotional, difficult thing to do.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:22:38

This This topic is so close to my heart. And Patrick, I just wanted to say thank you, from the bottom of my heart for doing such an amazing work for for women and for people. Because I know how heavy this burden is to carry the those even one abortion it can devastate women.

Patrick Carroll: 00:23:02

Yes. Very much.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:23:05

My my question, I guess so for those who don’t know your what, what exactly you do. And how did you start? How did you go into feminism? Would you tell us your story.

Patrick Carroll: 00:23:24

I’ll give you the the quick version because it could spiral off into sidebars and go on so to play the the short story, the shorter version. And as ever since I was a kid, I could, I could. I could feel people’s emotions, and I could see energetic connections and emotional connections. But I was a kid and I was born and raised in a very traditional Catholic, American family. And there was nothing in my world as a child or in the Catholic Church that explained any of those. So I just thought it was crazy. And my you know, my mother always said, Hi, you’re watching too many Disney cartoons. Yeah, your ads. But it never went away. And so I just felt that as a child. I was just crazy. There was something wrong with me. And I tried forget about it. And I didn’t. Then I fast forward to high school and I took LSD when I was 16. And that was a profound experience for me because it’s like the I knew it. There it is. I know it was there. I can see it. Now I can walk into that where I can take this pill and I’m gonna walk into this world in our standard. I have no idea what I’m looking at or experiencing, but I knew it was there. So then we fast forward and I had the advantage of going to a relatively liberal Catholic High School and in high school I was opposed to other religion and spiritual traditions around the world. So in high school, I’d taken LSD and I’d had this experience and I’m like, well, the Catholic Church and helped me out here and explaining any of this that’s happening. So maybe some of these other religions will be able to, you know, help me out and what what happens to me. So that led to a whole exploration through college and into later years of Native American Indian, spiritual traditions, and Buddhism and all sorts of stuff. And I wasn’t really making much progress. To end on I stumbled into a yogin analyst in Los Angeles, and I spent eight years in, in very intense Jung in psychoanalysis. And that was magical, because Carl Jung, his main contribution was, he explained the engineering of the psyche and the mind, and the different spiritual dimensions that hook into humans. He explained that he was like an engineer, and he said, Look, this is how it works. And it was a huge, huge revelation for me and kind of the rest of the world. But it’s like, there it is, there’s a logic here, we just don’t understand it. You know, it’s just not part of our three dimensional world, but time and space work differently, which is you talked about, and he talked about how the spiritual channels, chakras actually come in, connected, and then the circuitry and how they connect into the subconscious and up into the human mind. And so that was really huge, because that gave me some, actually some scientific base. And then through a, and I kept having these experiences and didn’t know what to do with them. But in 2010, I had, again, through a kind of an interesting series of circumstances, I met this group of practitioners in Northern California. And I explained to them, Look, this is all this stuff that happened to me as I was a kid, you know, what’s all this stuff? And they sat down, they said, We know exactly what’s happening with you, we work with that we do that that’s who we are. I mean, we come and join, we’ll take you in, come and join us start trading with us. And we’ll teach you everything that’s going on about all this, these multiple dimensions, and how to operate and actually how to become a healer. And so this was, yeah, 2010. So I said, Look, I’ll do I’ll do, I’ll join you guys to do anything you want. I don’t want to be a practitioner, I don’t, I’m not interested in that. I just want to figure this stuff out for myself. So that led to a very arduous three years of training, that went actually actually went way beyond their level of training. And these other spiritual entities got involved and started directing training and giving me projects. And I mean way kind of over my head, very, very intense work.

Patrick Carroll: 00:28:05

And but I was at the same time, I was, you know, doing practice work and healing work, you know, which was part of the training that I was in. And I was very good at it. And I was kind of very natural with it. And my teachers kept telling me, Patrick, you’re going to be a great healer. I mean, you’re, you know, you’re you really, you’re the real McCoy, you can do this. And I said, I kept telling me, I don’t want to, I don’t want I don’t want to be a practitioner, I’m not interested in it. I just want to figure this stuff out for myself, and then go back to my little world, and everybody leave me alone. And so I came to the end of the three years, and I said, alright, I’ll tell you what, I want to do six months of clinical work, just to prove that I really have mastered this. And I’d already had a lot of success. So I went to my group, and I said, Look, a lot of you people have have individuals that come to you, and they need help, they want some healing, but they don’t have any money, and they can’t pay you. I said send them to me, I’ll work for free for I got to work for free for six months. So anybody who needs help, give my number. And that’s what happened. And I did a lot of work on a pro bono basis. I didn’t charge them. And a lot of it was just kind of this natural flow of sexual trauma victims, and I was very good at it. And I was able to, I was starting to refine the techniques that we’ve been talking about this morning. And I got really good at it. And it was great. It was very rewarding. But the six months comes and I said okay, that’s it six months. I’m done. And I’m going back I had an insurance business at the time and I nice little house in Los Angeles and I had a quiet, nice little life. And I said alright, that’s it. Patrick’s Not gonna do this work anymore. And I told my existing clients and you know, the phone would ring or I’d get a text you don’t know me, but you know, this person said, you help them, maybe you can help me I’m so desperate. And I just told everybody said, Look, I’m not doing that anymore. I’m not I don’t want to be a practitioner. I’m not doing it go somewhere else. And they all told me the same thing. They I kept hearing the same thing. And over and over. Patrick, you don’t understand. There isn’t anybody else. You’re it. We’ve been to everybody else. They couldn’t help us. I mean, I’ve taken the pills and the meds and the psychiatrists and the doctors and the Reiki guys, and the other shamans that you’re at, you’re the only one who helped my sister, you’re the only one who helped my best friend got her through, you know, pass that rape or molestation? What do you mean, you’re not doing anymore? I said, No, that’s it. I’m, I’m out. So you know, now I got on the phone keeps ringing, I keep having this conversation. So if I went to my, my guides, we all have guides in our incarnations. And I kindly and I’d kind of gotten pretty familiar with them by now. And I went to them and say, Alright, guys, come on. What’s up? I told you from the beginning. I don’t want to be a practitioner. I’m not a healer. I don’t know, you know, I don’t want to do that. Leave me alone. Just leave me alone. And they very quietly looked at me. They said, Look, dude, the world needs you. You really, you need to do this. And, and, you know, there are not many people on the planet that could do what you do. And we really need you to do it. And I you know, I’m pitching and kicking and whining. I don’t want to do it, you know, and I’m throwing tantrums. Leave me alone, you know, leave me alone. But it comes down to Anna, it comes down to if God asks you to do something, are you going to do it? And the answer is, yes. Sooner or later, you’re going to you’re going to say okay, you know, God wants you to ask you to do something. Okay. All right. So I finally get to this point where Okay, okay. Okay. I will be a practitioner of do what you asked me to do. But on two conditions. Okay, what are the conditions? I said, number one, I’m not going to have a website. I’m not going to promote it. It’s not a business. I don’t really want to do it.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:32:25

You are. You’re like an enigma. I was my one of my questions.

Patrick Carroll: 00:32:32

I and I still don’t have a website, and I still don’t promote it. And I still I mean, I do these interviews with you. But you know, that’s it. I mean, I. And I said, I’m not promoting it. And I kind of thought to myself there. See, I got it. I kind of tricked God. Because six months, everybody I forget about Patrick, and they’ll all go away and leave me alone. Fade. fade away. You know, I was rolling on that. And I said the second they said, okay, cool. We got it. What’s the second one? And I said, All right, if I’m gonna do this work, and I am really good at it. And I do understand what I could do. I said, I want you to send me the most difficult, the most challenging, the scariest, the darkest, the most challenging cases on the planet. That’s what I want to work, if I’m going to do it. That’s what I want to do the most difficult cases that there are, I don’t balance or as you know, I’m not a light worker. That’s not what I do. Instead, I’m a surgeon, and I want you to send me the most complicated, difficult, scary cases that there are. And they said, Okay, that’s what we’ll do. The next day, the phone starts ringing, I start getting texts out of the blue, you know, and just people start coming out of the blue again, just all referral, that it started, it was, you know, mostly in the US, but you know, I started getting things from Europe,

Anna Ditchburn: 00:34:05

Australia,

Patrick Carroll: 00:34:08

Australia, kind of all over the place. And it’s all just like some, you know, I heard about you can you help me? And that’s how I became practitioner. That’s the story because God asked me to and I didn’t want to, God asked me to and I finally said, okay, okay. Okay.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:34:26

Go ahead. I had plans for you, and other plans. But I guess my question is, would you be happy to share with us? What was your most challenging and the scariest and most difficult case you’ve been ever worked with? And how you helped

Patrick Carroll: 00:34:53

to this person? There’s two good stories. One is I’ve had I’ve worked with several people. With disassociative identity disorder, which is commonly referred to as multiples, and I’ve had several people who the trauma was so, so horrific to them, that the psyche actually shatters into, and divides itself up into different, totally separate different personalities. And each one of those, what they’re called alters, takes on some, but not all of the trauma and the pain and the horror. And they kind of distributed among the different altars. And there can be as many as you know, 15 or 20 of these altars in various states of development. And most of them have very distinct identities, they they can, you know, let’s say that the person that’s, you know, my client is a woman who’s 30, she could have altars that are 12 year old boy, a 30 year old girl, a teenager they have different, completely different personalities, when they’ve done certain studies. When this person will shift, when they alter, shift into coming with a call, coming into time, which means they, they come up into the awareness and all the other alters, get shoved down, person’s blood pressure will change, their their respiration will change some of the alters need glasses, some of them don’t. Wow, really distinct. And I’ve worked with several authors, they’re my favorite clients, they’re so fascinating. Had requires an enormous amount of effort to get the authors to trust you. And they’ll sometimes be very violent against me, because they don’t trust me, they’ve been hurt. And they don’t trust anybody. And they’ve been via various forms of violence against me,

Anna Ditchburn: 00:37:08

will those alters be developed during some trauma events? Or people be born with us?

Patrick Carroll: 00:37:17

No, it’s the trauma that causes they’re born normal. I mean, they’re born or regular. And then this trauma, which is again, so um, there’s movies about it. The best book I ever read was called switching time, that’s on Amazon, I forget who the author is, but switching time to the best book I’ve ever read on this because it’s written by a psychologist who works with this woman over like 22 years, whatever it is long time, and they can see actually draws pictures of the room that the children live in, and where each who each person is and what their ages are. So anyway, the author is I, I, I’ve worked with several and fascinated my favorite clients, long term commitments. You know, this is this could be years of work, but really interesting. The scariest were the satanic molestations. The real demonic, were a group of people who are possessed, truly possessed by evil demonic entities will descend and take a typically a young girl and will molest this girl in an indescribably horrific way, for 10 years.

Patrick Carroll: 00:38:39

And there’s books about there, there’s books and stories about that

Patrick Carroll: 00:38:47

Sybil was a movie that was made many years ago with Sally Field. I don’t know when, you know, seven days, maybe it was a movie civil. And that kind of, in a very whitewashed way will give you an idea of what that was, like. I’ve had several of those clients and that’s again, it’s very, very intense work there. The traumas unimaginable what these these people have been through. And it’s really evil. I mean, really, truly evil, demonic, scary shit. These are very powerful entities. And they’re scary. And so when I first started working with them you know, these demons came after me and said, That’s what was ours, that we own that soul. And, and, you know, you I mean will hurt you, you, Patrick, you think you’re coming? Come and come in here. You know, we’re gonna come after you. And so there was kind of this interest. I had to learn how to handle myself in those realms. But eventually I was able to reclaim that soul but it’s a long process. And that if you want the scariest stuff, that’s, that’s it, because you’re not dealing with humans, humans can be really deprived in their own kind of human Ness. But there’s a whole other level of evil and then trauma and suffering and torture that comes down when these demonic entities, take over those humans, and then go to work on some little 10 year old girl, or boy. So yeah, that’s when I asked for the really tough stuff I got over the years. And so I’ve worked on those. And again, it’s a long process, but we were able to reclaim themselves.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:40:52

Wow. Wow, Patrick. You know, even without knowing the whole story, I feel the heaviness in my chest. And now when I start working with people, as a hypnotherapist and a coach, I hear some horrendous stories of sexual abuse from women and men. And I went through this, but sometimes someone’s story or even heavier. How do you deal with this burden with this negative energy? How do you clean yourself after this? Or stay away? How to protect yourself from this?

Patrick Carroll: 00:41:45

Good question. Good question. One of my teachers back in, in that three year training period was really adept at dealing with dark stuff. And what that question came up all the time. And, and what she taught, everybody taught all of us was, you don’t ever let it come in. So then you got to, you know, some people bring it in. And then Oh, my God, I got to clear it out, you know, I gotta get rid of it. The analogy that I work with, and that in that is really quite good. If a surgeon is working on somebody in a hospital in a surgical theater, urine, urine, the operating room, and that surgeon is working on this person to try to save their life, that surgeon got hurt that the patient is always separate from the surgeon out in front of the surgeon on a table, the surgeon standing back and is working on them. But that surgeon does not take the cancer out of the person and bring it into his own. Well, he doesn’t do that takes the cancer takes the illness and puts it over removes it and drops it over here in that in that little stainless steel pan. Yeah. And then they take it away. So the answer is to keep a distance from the person you’re working with. You can track them and see things and do all set, but you don’t personally connect with them. So that that energy never comes into you in the first place.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:43:27

That’s that’s a good tip. Thank you.

Patrick Carroll: 00:43:30

Yeah, okay. That’s why empaths have such trouble. And paths have such trouble. Because there’s, I’ve seen, there’s a difference between empathy and compassion. Empaths, bring the set and pass. Say, I will take your suffering and bring it into my body. And I will carry your suffering so that you can move forward free. And all that does is the empath just gets heavier and heavier and heavier. And eventually they get sick, and they can’t function. But I’ve had a lot a lot of in classes, clients that have been referred to me and saying, I can’t function anymore. Well, here’s why you keep bringing it all into yourself, and then you can’t get it out. Compassion is i i can see and sense and track your suffering. And I can help you with your suffering. But I never bring it in to my own energetic fields. I keep it separate. Just like the surgeon keeps that patient out in front of them, keeps the illness out, never takes the illness into their body. Keeps it out. And so that’s the analogy where I don’t I don’t have to clear myself at the end sessions because I never I never connect with the energy in the first place. It never gets in.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:44:55

Get to Yeah, I gotcha. Wow. I’m Patrick. I’m wondering, before people, if someone wants to experience this shamanic journey with you or someone else, what they need to know, before they do the session with shamans, what they need to prepare for it,

Patrick Carroll: 00:45:27

to do a session or to actually train as

Anna Ditchburn: 00:45:31

a shaman, not to do the session, session, or not

Patrick Carroll: 00:45:35

to do anything. Now, some people do prepare, because they would like to or they feel it’s good. And, for example, some people will send me a two or three page list. And, you know, a bio, here’s what happened to me all the names and dates. You know, here’s the six things that I’m suffering with, you know, it’s quite outline. But they don’t have to do that. Most people don’t, when they asked me that question, and I say, you don’t have to do anything, all I want you to do is to be physically comfortable, and relaxed, whether it’s a favorite chair or lying down. And that you have privacy so that we can talk. And you can speak freely. That’s it. I’ll do all the work. So you don’t have to prepare anything. Because I’ll just say, we’ll just start a session with all asking you some questions. You know, what’s, what’s troubling you? What are you struggling with. And as you talk, as we did in your session, I immediately start seeing and tracking the energy and the cords, and the neon tubes. And I can see things in your energetic bodies, because as you’ve talked about something that lights up, the energy hits it, and I say, Oh, we got that thing over there. And there’s, there’s cords going out of the heart chakra. And we got to find out where that’s going. And then there’s this thing, are we in there something down on her vagina? I’ll get to that. And I’ll just kind of make a mental list of like, okay, these are the hot areas that we got to work on. And then I’ll start asking you specific questions. Tell me about, you know, tell me about your childhood. Tell me about your first sexual experience with another person. Sometimes I’ll be tuning in on something and I can’t quite get it in focus. There’s something that I really can’t get it. So I’ll go to my client, I’ll say alright, like something happened when you were around 14, or something bad happened when you were 14? I can’t see it. It’s in your live stream, but I can’t quite get it to focus. And they’re like, Oh, my God, how do you know that? And I’ll say, I can see it. I mean, I can see it. It’s kind of right around your 14, you know, something like that. And then Oh, my God, that well, we went to the lake house and my uncle and I was molested. You know, he took me off into the boat. How do you know that?

Anna Ditchburn: 00:48:11

Happened to me? Like something happened to you? It’s three is also some was something he was like? Yeah.

Patrick Carroll: 00:48:20

So a lot of times, I’ll ask for their help, you know, I can’t quite get there. It is cool. Great. And then I can see it in the cords and we clean it off and do the surgery. And it’s good. That’s, that’s a session.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:48:34

Yeah, I’m really happy that you that you’re opening this up, because not many people know what to expect. And I remember myself, I was freaking out, freaking out that someone will find out my deepest, darkest, which I didn’t want to tell anyone. But for speaking from my own experience, if for my listeners, if you really want to heal, come to those sessions with open minds and willingness to heal. Because if you don’t want to do this, no one can help you. You’re the only person who can help yourself. That’s true. And Patrick, and I remember, at the very beginning of my healing journey, I was thinking everyone is talking about healing, and feeling free and happy. I was like, How do I know that I’m healed? How, what’s the feeling? When when? How long does it take and how do I? How do I realize I’m finally healed? How do you work from shamanic? My shamans point of view? What do you see when person is finally here? yield? How does he look like? How does it feel?

Patrick Carroll: 00:50:07

It’s a it’s two things. For me it’s visual. And it’s an it is a it’s a sensing of energy? The answer is when I always do after there’s any particular issue that we clear out, we remove the trauma. Before we move on to the next thing, for example, I’ll always do, I’ll do a scan, and I’ll go back and say, Okay, did we get it? Is it complete? Sometimes most of the time, it is sometimes not. It’s like, oh, wait a minute, there was something under that thing. You know, we’re not done yet on this. And, but I’ll do a scan. And, and it will both be a feeling and it will be a visual scan and a look. And I’ll say, is there anything here? Are we done? And it’s like, no, it’s good. We’re done. We’re clear. And if I ask the person I’m working with at that time, how are you feeling? I Oh, it’s almost always the same thing. I feel much lighter. I feel so much lighter. I feel open. Oh, my God, I Yes. So this is how it’s supposed to be. Yeah, this is this normal, you know, the technical aspect, and it is everybody has a very specific energetic frequency. That’s kind of their background, you know, their energetic field has a particular set of frequencies. And that’s normal for them. That’s normal, healthy, energetic mix, whatever that is for them. And, and you can sense that, I mean, you can kind of see it, and then kind of sensitive same time. So any, so I’ll tune into that frequency, and I’ll scan that energetic frequency. And I’ll be going along and all of a sudden, wait, whoa, there’s something totally blocked up here. There’s a different energetic frequency, right in the way, right in this particular place, and their field and their physical body. Like, okay, that whatever that is, isn’t supposed to be there. Because it’s not their frequency. It’s a different frequency. Okay, what’s that? Let’s track it, figure it out, get rid of it. And so the answer to your question, how do I know we’re done is when I can do a scan head to toe on the person. It’s their energetic frequency all the way through, all the way down, head to toe, everything’s clean, there’s no interference, there’s no blocks. There’s nothing out of phase. Great. We’re done. You’re good.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:52:47

I’m wheezing amazing. And I remember myself, it felt like all those blocks have been removed from my body. And I just want I felt like 15 years old girl, again, I wanted to play I wanted to sync. I wanted to run. It’s it’s an amazing, it’s still work in progress. But I can feel the difference. But I’m aware of the time and I have two questions for you. More questions? What would be your best advice for people who are caught still at the very beginning of healing journey? Or don’t know where to start? How to Start? Is there anything they can do for themselves right now?

Patrick Carroll: 00:53:38

The most important thing that I’ve told people at the beginning is you can fix it. You’re not doomed. You don’t have to despair. You can you can clear this, you can get rid of it, you can heal. That in itself is proven to be really powerful for people who have been, you know, 1020 30 years, and they just, they just think this is it I’ll never get I’ll never get out of this. The answer is you can. And they’re there. There’s a really specific set of procedures on how to do that. And we can you can ultimately work your way out of it. So that’s, that’s my best advice. As far as preparing yourself is just saying, No, we can do it. You can do it. After that, then just set it up in the synchronicity. It will set you up and bring into the people or the books or the YouTubes that will start that start you on that journey to find those solutions.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:54:45

Exactly. It’s it’s believed that you can do it and decide, I am going to do this. So good, so good. And my last question, Patrick Are there any side effects in shamanic journey? Are there any consequences of doing this shamanic healing.

Patrick Carroll: 00:55:14

And even in like negative side effects, there are really dramatic cases, it’s exhausting to kind of force yourself to open up and, and allow these things to come up that have been buried for so long or so traumatic. It’s, it’s exhausting, it’s relieving, but at the same time, it can be very exhausting. So I will often, if I’m dealing, for example, with a lengthy period of childhood satanic molestation, we will work for several weeks, and then stop and let it integrate, let the person rest. Let you know, let that solidify. And maybe, you know, take a month off, and then come back and do another month or two of sessions on the next level and clear that out and then again, stop rest. So there’s no there’s no long term negative effects or side effects, other than just it can be really emotionally exhausting. And so I’ve learned on those in those situations to break up the work and into phases. And that seems to really be effective.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:56:38

I recognize this feeling. I remember when I was going through my healing journey, through hypnotherapy and healing with you, it felt like a huge black, heavy rock in my chest. And I’ve realized that I was trying to bottle it down, you know, to dismiss those feelings, and feelings. But when it started to coming up, coming out the flesh as the memories started coming back, and this heavy, heavy feeling I was so exhausted. But it’s more exhausting to carry carried for for many, many years and not to face it, rather than feel it for several weeks or several months. And then get rid of it. It’s a work. I won’t I won’t say it’s easy work. But it’s very possible to get rid of this heaviness. That’s that’s so amazing. Patrick, if people would wants to connect with you. And we know you don’t have a website? Yes, what would be the best way to connect with you?

Patrick Carroll: 00:58:08

Email, I do have an open email account and anybody globally can reach me through my email account, you can post that at John Patrick at shamanic recovery.com. And that does flow that’s open and flowing 24 hours a day globally. So anybody can send me an email request. An intro call, which is what we do, I always do an intro call it there’s no charge for it. But I want to get to know you. I want you to be able to ask questions. I’m I’m completely transparent. Let’s see if it’s a good match. And if it is, then we’ll from there, schedule a session and get to work. So email is the right way to reach me.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:58:52

Would you repeat it once again?

Patrick Carroll: 00:58:54

It’s John Patrick JOHNPA T R I C K at shamanic. recovery.com.

Anna Ditchburn: 00:59:06

Perfect, perfect. Patrick, before we go, do you have any concluding thoughts?

Patrick Carroll: 00:59:17

I’m gonna go back to what we were just talking about recently, which is for these so many people that are locked into these really scary dark traumas. You we can we can get you out of it. There is a very proven set of procedures and techniques that can permanently remove these traumas, dissolve the connections with perpetrators get rid of the dark energy and restore you to health which then the depression goes away. The you know, the the poor sleep, the nightmares all those things do disappear. So It can’t be done. You’re not You’re not condemned to this forever, you can free yourself up.